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pom foods?

hey all,

just wondering what brand of food everyone feeds their poms? i've been confused lately because the "best" dog foods are considered those with no grain, all meat. BUT little poms can't handle such protein-rich foods. so, then, what are the best foods for poms that aren't are so high quality (i.e., no grain, all meat) they become harmful?

and here is my pom, Nacho, exploring a king oyster mushroom:
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I feed mine Innova EVO Red Meat and he does fine on it.
Do you, (or I should say "will you when he's older",) plan on rotating from the red meat to the poultry back and forth?
I've never even heard of anything like that. O.o;; Good idea, though.
Dogs develop meat allergies by eating the same food for too long. Protein source allergies cause loose stools, diarrhea, and sometimes vomiting... as opposed to grain allergies which cause the skin problems, hot spots, ear infections, tear stains, and anal gland problems.

As long as you transition to the new food by slowly mixing them together and adding a little more of the new flavor and a little less of the old flavor every day, it doesn't give them tummy aches. I recommend the switch every three to six months, but you can go back and forth more often than that. Our corgi does a different flavor of Merrick every two to four weeks, when the bag runs out. She's gotten so used to it that we don't even have to transition. :)
how do you know so much about food allergies? do you mind me asking about your sources? I have a 4 y/o pom who has very scabby skin and the vet told me she didn't think it was a food-based allergy, but I am starting to think otherwise. she has been fed science diet small bites her whole life. a technician friend of mine thought she was allergic to chicken (citing that he thought most food allergies were to the protein in the food). could you please give me more information? i would truly appreciate it.
Well I don't really have "sources" that I can specifically cite for you... I've been going to seminars by holistic veterinarians including Dr. Karen Becker and Dr. Christine Bessent, (who practices Chinese medicine for animals,) reading other people's research, and on-the-job training. I have been working in the pet industry for 9 years. I've been a veterinary assistant, a groomer, and have taken several college courses on various animal-health topics. 80% of my daily routine at work is helping people figure out and work around their dog or cat's allergies. :(

The majority of dog allergies are food related. Even if they seem to come about seasonally, they underlying source of the allergy is the food. Skin problems usually relate to grain allergies, and digestive problems usually relate to protein allergies.

You don't need your vet's permission to change your dog's diet. It is generally easier to find out if your dog has an allergy by changing the food than to go through testing. A lot of vets will treat the problem, (skin or digestive,) instead of figure out the allergy. Switch to grain free, (or at least remove the corn and wheat,) and give it a few months. If you see a difference, problem solved! If not, there was no harm done or money lost in trying. Sadly, it is often trial and error like this.
Thank you for the comment. I found a limited ingredient "allergy formula" that is lamb and brown rice based rather than the corn/chicken base that Science Diet uses. I was nervous about taking her back to the vet because like you said, they will likely treat the symptoms (ie put her on steroids) and prednisone can cause more problems than I think it would solve. I also know that it is virtually impossible to try and pinpoint the source of the allergy and like you said, trial and error is often the best approach. I just get nervous about having to go to a real specialty diet at some point (like science diet z/d) because of the huge cost. Perhaps it is my ignorance, but are skin allergies a common problem with pomeranians?
Thank you again!
ouija gets wellness for seniors
my mom feeds hers royal canin for poms
Mine eats Purina One. She does great one it, she's always getting complements on how soft and shiny her fur is. It's mid-priced so it won't break the bank.
i feed my pom science diet (small bites)

and nacho is so cute!

Edited at 2009-03-07 04:27 am (UTC)
i feed mine....some kind of Costco brand....i forget what it is...we don't have any issues with either of our poms and both have fantastic coats.
i give my pom a mixture of purina puppy chow and natural food. she loves fruits and vegetables and i mix them up with a little rice and meat.
Mine ate Eukanuba for years but we switched her to Wellness after the tainted pet food incident. Not that she had any problems, that just freaked me out a lot. Then in the past year she developed crazy skin allergies (happens in older dogs who've been eating the same food for years, she's 11) and we switched her to Halo, which has probably helped, although it might have just been a seasonal thing.

My aunt feeds her little Havanese Old Mother Hubbard raw food, so I think little dogs can handle a heavy protein diet just fine. Heavy protein also helps keep them lean. I personally don't do it because it's a lot of work keeping the raw food safe! You can't just keep it in the pantry and grab some for trips.
Actually, the raw diet has a higher meat content, but a lower protein. The protein percentages on raw diets are usually between 15% and 25%. Grain based dog kibbles are generally around 20% to 30%, grain free 30% to 50%, and canned foods 7% to 10%. Averages, mind you.

When I get my Pomeranian this spring, it will be eating a rotation of various raw diet brands. ^_^
You're icon is awesome. Gollum ftw!
Lol, thanks! XD
I use it whenever I'm talking about food. X)
I forgot I wanted to mention this. The skin allergies can be stopped with grain free foods, too. If you are worried about the high proteins, because some vets still say "senior dogs need low protein" try the raw diet. For a Pom, it's not any more expensive than dry, because of how very little they need to eat.
Huh, that's interesting. I just assumed more meat=more protein. I had no clue!

If her allergies pop back up I'll try the raw food next time. That's good to know. The Halo food has stopped them for now, though. She had really bad dandruff that she'd never had before and now she's back to her beautiful, flake-free self.
Halo's a good food. I don't know too much about it.
If it's just flakey dry skin, switch to the salmon formula.
If she doesn't like salmon, you can try putting a little flax seed oil in her food. Anything with Omega 3 & 6.
I can't comment of the food issue as I don't have my baby yet, but yours is soooooo cute! :']
My Chloe eats Purina Beneful, I believe :)

Preface: This is my profession. I'm not just "some internet dog food nazi".

"BUT little poms can't handle such protein-rich foods."

That is extremely untrue. The only dog of any species that can't do well on high protein is a dog with non-functional kidneys. Innova EVO, like what yurusumaji uses, is great food. If you want grain free but don't want 42% protein, there are brands with lower percentages. There is a brand called Now! which is made in Canada, Canidae makes a grain free now, Fromm's grain free flavor called Surf & Turf, and Solid Gold's Barking at the Moon are all lower in protein.

All dogs, from Great Danes to Chihuahuas still have the same digestive system as wolves. "Dog food" has only been around for about 40-50 years. Before that people fer their dogs scraps and hunks of raw meat before cooking for the family, and the bones afterward. 40-50 years is not nearly enough time for dogs to evolve, no matter what Hill's and Purina want you to think. Dogs do not do well on corn, wheat, and soy based dry kibble foods. You may know someone who has had a dog live 20 years on Purina, but not only is that not the standard, a long life does not necessarily mean a healthy life.

I posted information like this on the corgi community that I am in and got banned because the mod proudly boasts that she feeds Purina ONE, (it says "ONE" in the name, so it must be the best one, right?) I told her to do more research and banned me from the community, so I'd really appreciate it if that doesn't happen here. I'm not putting anyone down for feeding what they do if they are uninformed.

You mentioned grain free foods being the best out there, but if you have any other questions, or want to understand better why X is better than Y, feel free to ask me. You're already on the right track, but if someone doesn't know the reasons for things, it's easy to veer right off that track.

Re: Preface: This is my profession. I'm not just "some internet dog food nazi".

my "extremely untrue" opinion is based only on seeing warnings for all the protein-rich foods saying that they are not for small breeds. it's not something i've made up, just something i've seen frequently in my research.

why am i reading that so often if it's not true? there must be some hazard....

as for being banned from the corgis, probably coming across a little less high and mighty will get your further.

i don't need to be told that grocery store brands are bad for my dog - i know that. my only confusion was how to give my dog "the best" when i am concerned about him (at 4.5 lb) getting too much protein. if it's no problem at all, why would dog food companies, who want to make money, advise against their product for (very) small breeds?

Re: Preface: This is my profession. I'm not just "some internet dog food nazi".

I don't seem to recall accusing you of making things up. What foods claim to say they aren't good for small breeds? I'd like to know.

How is telling you what I know about protein "high and mighty" when that was what you were asking for advice on?

I realize that you know that grocery store brands are no good, or you wouldn't be asking about grain free food. I mentioned that too, didn't I? A lot of people commenting are mentioning things like Purina, Science Diet, Beneful and Eukanuba, So I just wanted to be clear that even if you find a grain free that isn't such a high protein, like the ones I listed for you, but choose not to use that type of food, those brands are not great options.

Did you not really want a helpful answer?
I don't know why you seem so offended.
Chex Mix gets Purina puppy chow until next month and then we start the change to "big boy food".

And yay for dogs named after snack foods!
I give Steve Ceasers because he freaking loves it. I'm not sure if it's the best for him or not, I've not done a lot of research but I know he needs to have a better diet because even though we don't give him any people food period he still eats what the cats paw off the countertops/ dig out of the trash. X/
Oh also, NACHO IS SOOOO CUTE!
Bear eats (some) Iams Mini Chunks, but honestly he eats more people food than his dog food. My baby throws his food from his high chair constantly and Bear is the clean up crew. His coat and health are just great. I'm not too worried about it--my baby eats healthy and so does the dog.

My parents gave their two dogs the same diet of table scraps (note: they were never fed red meat, only fish and veggies) and Iams (and daily Milk Bones). One was a toy poodle--and yes, granted had off and on weight problems--he didn't like to run so much after being hit by a car and surviving at age two, and the other was an Australian Shepard mix. They lived to be 18 and 17. Our poodle died of a sudden heart attack...and was quite healthy up to the end. Baby, the Aussie, lost her battle with breast cancer and had to be put to sleep to end her suffering. She was going for daily 2 mile runs up until the week before she died.
My breeder reccomends using Iams puppy food for small breeds until one year of age then switching to the small toy breed brand of food. Now after reading all of this I am unsure exactly what to do. But since this is what he has been weaned into I am afraid of changing his diet. I guess from reading this post it depends on what the owner chooses to do it seems like everyones dogs fine doing their own thing, so maybe its all just a matter of owners choice?
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